As seen in Fangoria magazine issue
# 242
Debbie Does Malice
Actress Debbie Rochon has overcome many trials and tribulations to become a
fright-film fixture.
By CHRISTINE COLBY
To paraphrase 19th-century philosopher Freidrich Nietzsche,
that which does not kill Debbie Rochon makes her stronger.
The actress with over 125 horror, exploitation and other genre
features on her résumé, and current co-host of Sirius' FANGORIA RADIO, was born
in farmlands outside of Vancouver, British Columbia, to an alcoholic father and
a mother afflicted with a rare form of polio, which required frequent
hospitalizations. "She basically lost the use of her body," Rochon recalls,
beginning a long discussion of a past more horrific than any of her screen
roles. "With all the turmoil within the house, I'd show up at school wearing
clothes with holes in them, sitting in class trying to hold the holes closed.
I'd get called into the counselor's room, and they'd sew them up and ask me
questions. After a couple years of that, we'd get visits at our home. Finally,
during my mother's third time in the hospital, they took me away from my family
and put me in a halfway house for kids until they could find a proper foster
family. It was a relief and traumatizing."
Despite being placed with
foster families, Rochon's situation didn't improve: "It sucked," she says
bluntly. "I was sleeping on soaking wet mattresses in the basement with these
families who were just taking money; I never felt like I had anything. I kept
running away, but I'd be caught." When Rochon was about 12 and back in the
halfway house, another girl staying there attempted suicide. Taking advantage of
the chaos that generated, Rochon fled and spent her first night on the street.
"I slept under a lot of bridges the first couple of months," she says. She soon
made friends with another young runaway, a gay boy whose parents had turned
their back on him because of his lifestyle. "His family did not want him; they
didn't care that he was 14 and living with this older guy. The guy said I could
sleep on the floor of the living room, so I had a place. He was vital in saving
me in the early days.
"Then, I made friends with a lot of transvestites
and drag queens…and also hustlers and street people like that," she continues.
"I would make money sort of doing drug runs for them. I really didn't know what
I was doing; it was just ‘Take this over here.' I knew it wasn't good, but I
wasn't this drug-dealer person. I was just making 20 or 30 bucks for something
to eat." That wasn't Rochon's only brush with danger: "One night, a
couple of pimps came up from Seattle, trying to round up girls to come and work
for them. A couple of the girls were so dense, in an innocent way, and
believed all the promises of furs, and this and that. But I saw right through
them, even at that age. I probably didn't know the half of it, but I knew how
bad they were. Well, I was completely cut up. This scar here [pointing to her
right upper arm] was worked on a couple times to make it straight, as opposed to
having grafts all over. I have scars all over my body. They completely knifed me
up that night. They weren't kidding around. I stood up and didn't do what they
told me."
As if that weren't enough, a couple months after this incident,
Rochon was robbed and beaten over the head with a crowbar. "The opening was so
big, and I lost so much blood," she says. "I went to the hospital and said I
fell down the stairs. After they sewed me up, I took off and crashed at
someone's place. There was an elevator in that building, and I couldn't even use
it for three months. I'd lost so much blood that by the time I'd hit the bottom,
I'd pass out. It took like three months for me to reach the point where I could
get out of the building." In addition to her own brushes with death, she lost
many friends to street violence, drugs, AIDS and suicide.
But Rochon's
childhood wasn't all tragedy: When she was about 14, she was staying with a man
named Jamie who was the manager of a famous drag-queen performer named Craig
Russell (star of the 1977 cult film OUTRAGEOUS!). "Jamie heard that Paramount
was in town looking for movie extras," she recalls. "He was always pushing me to
do something and not fall into the depths of dealing drugs and prostitution. He
knew I didn't want that for myself. The easy way was not an option for me."
Jamie pushed her to try out for a role: "He was like, ‘You'll get cash money!'
So I went in, and they took a Polaroid. I was a total punk, but a little
dressier because my influences were a lot more drag-queen." The movie turned out
to be LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE FABULOUS STAINS, a film about a female punk band
directed by Lou (UP IN SMOKE) Adler, starring Diane Lane and Laura Dern and
featuring members of The Sex Pistols and The Clash. "I worked on that movie for
three months; I was one of the main extras," Rochon recalls. "I got $300 cash a
week, which was amazing for me."
The technical advisor on the set, artist
and punk rock journalist Caroline Coon, "really discovered the Sex Pistols and
put them on the map. She ended up taking me under her wing. She felt for me and
could see how much I was trying. All the other extras were just there for fun,
but this was exhilarating for me. The energy was just, wow, they'd ask me to do
something and I'd do it 200 percent, and they saw that. She really took care of
me, would buy me dinners afterward, we'd hang out. Of course, there were a lot
of drugs going around, Lou Adler was hanging out with all the punk rockers, Paul
Simonon from the Clash; it was craaazy. The Ramones would come to town, and we
all had backstage passes; it was nuts."
Another way this movie changed
Rochon's life was that later, she would end up dating the Sex Pistols' Paul
Cook, whom she met on the set of LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Despite his reputation,
Rochon claims he was very quiet and called his mother every day, without
fail.
Rochon was bitten hard by the acting bug, as her experiences working on
that set were some of the only ones that gave her any positive reinforcement and
confidence in herself. Determined to study the craft, she took on three jobs.
"At 14, I was smart enough to know that if you're serious about something, you
have to study," she says. "And I had only made it to grade seven. I enrolled in
a bunch of acting classes. I was doing nothing but working to save money to go
to this college for theater. But at the very last minute, when I was about 17 or
18, I took the money I had saved, about $3 or $4,000, and moved to New York
instead. I realized, while reading and studying and being involved with a
theater company, that all these great teachers like Uta Hagen were all in New
York. So I was going to go study with them. It's so freeing not to be held back
by logic; thank God you have none when you're young! In New York, I studied and
belonged to five theater companies. I did dozens of theater projects. I sucked
royally, really sucked hard. But I also studied really hard." After her
immersion in the Manhattan stage scene came a string of tiny indie-film roles.
"I did a couple of T&A comedies, but I did not do any nudity yet," she says.
"Chuck Vincent, a former porn director turned Cinemax T&A comedy director,
was changing with the times. So I was in these Marilyn Chambers movies that were
not porno; it was hilarious. I was telling my friends at home, ‘I'm in a Marilyn
Chambers movie!' " The first time Rochon was asked to do nude scenes was for
another ex-porn director, Roberta (SNUFF) Findlay, for her 1989 film BANNED.
"She was screaming on the set, so it was really scary," Rochon recalls. "I was
like, ‘Oh no, she's going to scream at me while I'm naked and vulnerable.' But
it was fine. It was a closed set, and it was much easier than I expected.
Honestly painless.
"I realized at that point, because it was a good role,
that I don't condone nudity, but I'm not against it," she notes. "I don't think
it's a good or a bad thing, but I do believe, in such a highly competitive
market, if you are looking at the work sort of like a blue-collar actor, which
I've always called myself…if it means that I have to do nudity for one or two
days during these 20-day shoots, and I really want to work, then I'm gonna do
it. It has definitely harmed me as much as it's helped, but I don't care. I had
to make the choices I had to make. I make no excuses; I make no
apologies."
Since then, Rochon has been a full-time working actress,
appearing in at least one movie per year and in one year acting in 19. Most of
these have been low-budget horror flicks; Rochon has even toiled on mob-run
sets, an experience she doesn't remember fondly. Inevitably for a New York genre
actress, she has also become associated with the oeuvre of Lloyd Kaufman and his
Troma company, appearing in TROMEO AND JULIET, TERROR FIRMER and CITIZEN TOXIE:
THE TOXIC AVENGER IV. "I love Lloyd like nobody else," Rochon says. "He's one of
my best friends. I've seen all sides to him; we've fought; we've not spoken to
each other. But over 15 years, it's like a type of marriage. I adore the man. I
can only say that about somebody I have gone through a lot with."
One
hazard of laboring on low-budget films is safety—one she has been especially
concerned with since September 2002, when the fingers of her right hand were almost completely severed in an on-set accident. She
grimaces, remembering: "Everything inside, except for the bone—all the tendons,
the nerves, everything was cut by a machete. I can't tell you the movie because
of ongoing litigation. I was chopping a fake dead body, and the director did not
like how a certain prop looked. There wasn't even a prop master on the set. They
asked, ‘Do you want to use this prop, this prop, or this prop?' And I said,
‘Well, whatever you think will be the lightest and most controllable so I don't
have to worry about the weight, and I can just really get into acting the
scene.' They said, ‘OK, then use the [real] machete.' Now, every film I had ever
acted in had been professional people with professional props, and if anything
is real, it's filed down. I mean, there isn't even a question.
"So I took
this machete, and I started whaling down on this fake body, with all of my
might. There was no [finger guard] that separates the handle from the blade. So
with the first chop down, my hand slipped…right onto the blade. And it was real;
it was not filed down. I realized right away, but didn't feel anything yet. I
just saw my hand open up. I said, calmly, ‘I need to get to a hospital as soon
as possible.' They have all this on film.
"This is an important,
important story, with all these emerging artists and everything," Rochon says.
"Number one: You can't be stupid. Props are props. If you have knives, you need
to be safe. Equally important, you need to have insurance. They had none. I had
to have half a million dollars of operations on this hand so that it wouldn't be
completely useless. They have no way of paying the bills for me. I had to
declare bankruptcy because of all the bills, and being disabled and unable to
work for so long after that. It devastated me financially. To this day, my hand
is slightly clawed; it forever will be, and will only get worse. I have
constantly growing arthritis in the hand every day. I only didn't lose my
fingers because I got really lucky with the doctor."
Another challenge
Rochon has survived recently is a struggle with a brain tumor. It put her
through bad headaches, deteriorating eyesight and some substantial weight gain.
After three years of misdiagnoses, due to her doctor assuming her symptoms were
related to the trauma of her hand injury, she finally got the medication she
needed. "Since I was completely financially devastated, I had to take work," she
explains. "In a perfect world, I would have gone off, gotten better, looked
better and then appeared in film again. But no, there are a number of movies
during this period where I am much heavier. To me it's like, big deal, I'm a
human being. But people judge and they don't know why. It was the most difficult
journey of all the journeys I've ever had, and I've had a lot.
"I've experienced a lot of amazing things in my life, but it's
not as though I didn't have to pay for them first. Everybody has their thing in
life…for me, I usually have to suffer a whole lot and then I get something. One
of the wonderful things that has come into my life is the [Fango] radio show.
Since 1994, off and on, I've been involved with radio. I've done a lot of
producing at two different stations prior to this." Rochon cohosts with Twisted
Sister's Dee Snider, and also produces the show with Mike Kostel. FANGORIA RADIO
is broadcast live on Sirius channel 102 on Fridays from 10 p.m.- 1
a.m.
The Sirius radio studio is in the McGraw-Hill building in New York
City, right near Radio City Music Hall. It's a bustling operation, with a plush
lobby and large wall covered with celebrity autographs from the likes of GWAR,
Fear Factory and Danzig. Howard Stern's wing is one way, and the Maxim radio
show is being taped down the other hall. The night Fango visits the studio,
Snider and Rochon are at the studio more than three hours before the program is
due to begin, going over their plan for the night and making sure everything
runs smoothly.
Snider is casual and friendly, but obviously the cock of
the walk, and everyone defers to him. He does not remove his dark glasses.
Rochon is gregarious and friendly, but focused on the show, in professional
mode. FANGORIA RADIO is broadcast from within the "fishbowl," the glassed-in
area in which they sit, surrounded by cameras and some of the dozen or so
crewmembers. Snider is happy with himself for coming up for a new tagline for
the show that evening: "FANGORIA RADIO—You don't have to be a geek to listen,
but it f**kin' helps." They talk to various genre-film guests throughout the
show, have a young grindcore band on to play and run trivia contests. The prize
for the first question is a DVD of one of Rochon's movies, HELLBLOCK 13. The
phone rings off the hook.
Snider tells Fango, "Debbie impressed me in the
first few moments we spoke as being someone who had something to say and was
more than just a pretty face, a great rack and a good scream." Rochon returns
the praise: "To click with him is a very special thing, but it's rare. It's
rarer than you think in radio. It looks easy, but that's part of the secret: to
make it seem easy. I just respect him and love him. Don't know him well enough
to love him like Lloyd, but maybe someday. But he has had my back, and coming
from the street, I always appreciate that."
Snider concurs, "There is
definitely a genuine connection between me and her. I like that she gets me and
I get her. She's got a great laugh and we make each other laugh. And I recently
saw AMERICAN NIGHTMARE [in which Rochon plays a deranged murderess]. I was
really impressed with her commitment to the role; she's kind of a Method actor.
Of course there was that awkward moment when she takes her top off, and it was
like I was seeing my sister's boobs."
Not content to be involved merely
in film and radio, Rochon is also a prolific writer, contributing over the years
to The Joe Bob Report, Videoscope, Femme Fatales and Sirens of Cinema among others.
She has also co-written two books, THE B-MOVIE SURVIVAL GUIDE and ATTACK OF THE
B QUEENS.
To paraphrase Nietzsche again, art is the proper task of
Rochon's life. She says of acting, "The art of it is what makes me excited. I
guess I can say this because I've done it so few times that it has ended up
being anything close to art. That's the drive—as opposed to it depleting me and
making me bitter, it's the opposite. I long to find it." Recent and upcoming
films for Rochon are Justin Wingenfeld's witchcraft/revenge tale SKIN CRAWL;
"Jerky Boy" Kamal Ahmed's RAPTURIOUS, about the psychological/supernatural
breakdown of a white hip-hopper; CHICAGO MASSACRE: RICHARD SPECK, from ED GEIN:
THE BUTCHER OF PLAINFIELD director Michael Feifer; A FEAST OF FLESH, an offbeat
vampire movie by Mike Watt and Amy Lynn Best; and Michael (THE WIND) Mongillo's
BEING MICHAEL MADSEN, featuring the eponymous actor, his sister Virginia and
numerous guest stars. She also writes and produces various projects for FANGORIA
TV and hopes to direct her first short in 2007.
Oh, and for any
filmmakers reading this: Rochon would also love to be in a Sasquatch
movie.
****All non-film images provided by "Gary Cook Image
Group".****
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